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Nothing, sorry if I sounded a bit rude before. But Depp and Jolie are A-List stars, who's names will overshadow their characters no matter how good actors they are.

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Well the movie is really groundbreaking.

Why So Serious?

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To me when I saw The Dark Knight back in July. It was an amazing movie. Perhaps the "greatest comic book movie ever made". Though many still make the argument that the first Superman film was the best ever.

Heath Ledger was the perfect Joker. I enjoyed the dialogue in the end between Batman and Joker in the end. Very true to the comics. And Two-Face was an amazing thing to see. That make-up was incredibly well done.

Memorable and unforgettable.

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Just a small sentence here, Jim Carrey...I know he was the riddler before, but I hear they want him to take over the Joker role.......it might work *shrugs my shoulders*

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Recasting the Joker will be the hardest job ever, I think.

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there is no one who can play the joker role like heath ledger.

the only one i can see doing it is the original joker, jack nicholson.

Royal Member of BonBon Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 2311

They should not re-cast Joker, they should simply keep him locked away in Arkham, off-camera... if they're going to be serious about having the Riddler as the next badguy featured in the third film, then they should focus all their attention on him, and not worry about trying to throw in some cameo appearance by the Joker (like they did with Cillian Murphy's "Scarecrow" in Dark Knight). A villain as spectacular as the Joker just doesn't work well for cameo appearances, especially since he loves the limelight so much.

I know nothing's been finalized yet, but if they indeed decide to go with the Riddler as the main badguy in the third movie, here are my thoughts on how his character should be treated... While all of the "Nolan-verse" characters are more gritty and realistic in style compared to versions of the characters in the past, I would definitely try to avoid turning Edward Nygma into a serial killer. Some folks have been speculating that the only way to make the Riddler more "edgy" is to make him a diabolical madman on the same scale as Jigsaw from the "Saw" movies, which I feel is a terrible mistake and a definite misunderstanding of who the Riddler character really is.

The Riddler is a brilliant but egotistical person, much more a performance artist than a real criminal. His penchant for leaving behind clues is all a part of him showing off, although recently in the comics it has been hinted that his love of leaving clues in riddle form is all a part of an obsessive compulsive disorder. His compulsion to leave behind clues and his desire to commit well-planned and intricate crimes are at odds with each other, a conflicting paradox that perhaps makes his intentions all the more mysterious.

At his core, however, should be his obsession with mystery... the riddles, his chosen "out-of-costume" alias ("E. Nygma", or "enigma"), and the various deathtraps that he puts Batman in throughout the history of the comics and television shows. In recent comics, in fact, the character has given up crime (supposedly) and become a detective, perhaps to one-up Batman himself by beating him at his own game. And that should be the crux of the Batman/Riddler dynamic: his need to prove himself the most brilliant tactician in the world, and sees in the costumed crimefighter a worthy adversary. Whle Batman and Joker's relationship as arch-nemeses is based upon being near polar opposites (Batman on the side of law, Joker on the side of complete anarchy), the Riddler exists as a cynical view of order... his crimes and riddles are so intricately planned-out, he's practically daring someone to stop him. The third movie should be the point when Batman has to truly prove himself as a competent detective, and set himself apart from merely being the guy with all the cool gadgets.

In the end, the Riddler is trying to become a personification of the riddles and mysteries that he has spent his life obsessing over. He wishes to become the Sphinx, the Minotaur's Labyrinth, and the Gordian Knot, and the Batman has to contend with this by using his intellect and, like the Gordian Knot example, having to think "outside of the box" in order to apprehend such a clever adversary.

Rank: Veteran Joined: 30 Jul 2008 Posts: 860

johnny, i do beleive i have found my own adversary.

your the only person i've met that truly understands the layout of the batman charachters so well. what makes them tick, and why they do what they do.

you know the way they think and act on those thoughts. ours is a rare gift. to truly become what ever we read or watch, am i right? tell me, when you read something, you feel what is going on as you read, you understand their emotions as they move along in the story. it\'s like you are the charachters, right?

Royal Member of BonBon Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 2311

it's something like that... i prefer to put myself in their shoes, and sort of figure out why a character would logically (or illogically, depending on the character) act the way they do. I do fancy myself a bit of an amateur storyteller and actor, after all, so I tend toi become more interested in character motivation and development in stories.

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*nods in agreement*

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December 9th is finally comes out on DVD/Blu-Ray. Smile