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Rank: Veteran Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 728

Probably plenty of people putting there opinion out on the subject, but I feel like I need to vent about this.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, last Thursday an individual decided to go to a midnight showing of the new batman movie and fire weapons at the movie goers seated in the theater. He killed 12 people and injured about 50 people. He was later arrested by police in the parking lot.
I heard about it the next morning from some friends, it bothered me to hear about it. I also found out that the theater is owned by the same people that own the theater I work at. I can't really know what it feels like to be one of the victim's family members, but I can still feel bad and disturbed by this incident.

These kinds of things do allow some insight to what is wrong in America. One of the first things that might come up is gun control; which I have to disagree with, bad guys don't obey laws so gun control won't keep guns out of their hands. Another person with a similar opinion told me, if guns kill people then forks cause obesity. The common man needs to be able to own a gun; its an insurance policy, allowing for potential protection and if revolution or invasion ever occurs.
The problems I'm referring to are the problems with the prison system, media, and liberal ideologies.

The guy that committed this atrocity was a med school student who dropped out of his studies. We don't know why he did this, I suspect he probably had a good size debt from schooling. Perhaps he didn't see a way out of his situation and all of his schooling was going to be wasted. This might be a product of playing politics with higher education, school is ridiculously expensive, books are overpriced and with new editions coming out way to often you can't sell them back. Board members of schools play politics with education so the various fields can be kept most profitable for them or their pals. They make things harder than they have to because having too many professionals in a certain field might decrease the payroll of professionals already in said field. Is it not possible that someone is artificially controlling to some extent the amount of professionals in certain fields.
So ending up in prison is not considered an ideal option for most people, yet its not the worst situation for a person to be in, atleast if your in an American prison. Three square meals a day, free health care, most commonplace forms of entertainment. Some Prisoners get jobs as telemarketers they have just as much access to internet as normal people. Prisons are also privately owned, government contracts are awarded to private companies that manage prisoners. It makes so much sense for the tax payers to pay to keep convicted killers comfortable till they die of natural causes.
Its profitable to own a prison, you get to profit off people that have killed other people or have committed some other crime, doesn't seem like an honest living to me, (that exclude security guards and prison personnel, they work hard like anyone else). The Liberal ideal that the death penalty is wrong and no one has the right to take human life is profitable to prison owners. For those with this believe, you are putting money into the pockets of prison owners, and its tax money.
Personally I like apply the concept of equivalent exchange (yes from fullmetal alchemist), the murderer denied his victims their human rights, the loss of their rights should result in the loss of the murders's rights. So executing a murderer isn't inhumane, they lost all their rights when they killed another human being. The body doesn't imprison bacteria or viruses, detrimental cells are destroyed. So explain the sense in keeping these individuals alive at the expense of the tax payers.
America's prison system is a joke, there's no serious consequences for killing a person. Alot of gangs require young initiates to kill a member of a rebel gang because if they get caught they'll get a few years in Juvenal prison which will harden and prepare the initiates for gang life. Public executions would atleast help deter some violence, and not those silly million dollar executions.

Well I've said enough; if this offended you, take the block off your shoulder.

Royal Member of BonBon Joined: 29 May 2009 Posts: 6010

Honestly, I agree with pretty much everything you have mentioned.

Gun control is in no way a deterrent towards people obtaining and commiting crimes. It even is in our Bill of Rights stating that everyone has the right to bear arms (No not hanging bear arms in our living room). So having these limitations hinders people who need them in times of crisis. I agree that some exceptions can be made in a criminal's case, where if a crime is commited with a gun can permanently revoke those privelages.

Being a college student, I know full well how expensive it is just to take a full course load. If it was'nt for the fact that I went into the military, I probably would never be able to get my degree. Almost every semester where I purchase a new book that is at extorted prices, and then at the end of the semester, I often find that they have an even newer version so I can't even sell them back and stuck with a book that I can't even use.

The prison system almost sounds like a godsend to most people as a viable system to escape poverty after commiting a crime. Any kind of crime should fit the punishment and no amount of liberal talk can ever deter from the fact that the person did wrong and should be punished accordingly. Murder is murder, and yet people get away with it by simply going to prison. You are right in that aspect. What this country needs is a systematic prison genocide of all those who commited a crime of murder. This will more than likely get a good number of maximum security cells emptied out, and sounds extreme. Still, the money should be going to people who need it rather than be expended lavishly.

Rank: Super Veteran Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2709

This was a tragedy indeed and really hit near home because I live in CO.

One thing though, the shooter was on a full scholarship, everything he needed was paid for through college because he was labeled as being one of the best from his school and very very intelligent, which is what makes it harder for anyone to find out the reason for the horror he commited.

I also can't figure out why his family wants to support him after this, and I assume help to try and get him off easy, even though when his mother was informed he was involved with a shooting in colorado she even said "you have the right man."

Rank: Veteran Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 728

No reason is justifiable, we'll probably never know why he did this.
Hopefully he doesn't get to plead insanity.

I heard a good idea, televise this guy getting stoned to death by the victims family members. Gets rid of this sicko, allows the family to get some sense of justice, media gets something to report about, and shows to the public that there is consequence for doing such an evil thing.
And run a warning so parents don't let their kids watch, unless they think their kids needs to watch.

Rank: Super Veteran Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2709

I completely agree, there is nothing he could say that would make it any less wrong.

This psycho deserves far worse but yes that would be well within reason.

Royal Member of BonBon Joined: 29 May 2009 Posts: 6010

Unfortunately, people will moan and bitch about him being human still and try to save his sorry ass.

Rank: Super Veteran Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2709

People who think that probably deep inside think he was brave or something for doing it who knows...

But guys like him don't deserve mercy, because he sure as hell didn't offer any to those people in that theater.

Rank: Senior Member Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 262

A guy who seriously believes he is The Joker (or devil, or a horseman, or even the messiah) is insane.

History is replete with people who became insane, many went violent with whatever they could get hands one.

Note the UT shootings in 1966.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Declining_health_and_the_University_of_Texas_Health_Center

Rank: Veteran Joined: 14 Nov 2010 Posts: 728

You think that these changes would be noticed and bring on extra attention to the individual. I don't believe this guy was insane, he made it into medical school. What he did is evil regardless of his mental state.

If he is truly psychotic then we should take a lesson from our body, when a cell becomes cancerous the immune system destroys it, if it isn't destroyed the body will suffer.

Rank: Super Veteran Joined: 02 Oct 2009 Posts: 6733

the human being very fragile and unstable sometimes

reminds me of a story of a Man who was a Father,
who killed his who family for no reason, what made him snap
what made him go off to do those horrid things?

theres always something or someone or some place
that could have cause a person to snap...
but it could be the "person" itself as well,
as everyone can't handle the same thing...

but yes I hate it when prisoners are treated like 'kings"
not if your cell mate his more dangerous then you are,
this guy deselves a hell on his life, as death to to good for him...
him being shank in prison is to good for him.